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Re: A Little 4E Love!
Posted: Tue May 19, 2026 1:19 pm
by Canuck
Researcher wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 1:49 pm
The "stippling" on the top of the breech was a feature of the NID after they dropped the cocking indicators. On a Field Grade --
459707 06.jpg
On a No. 2E --
464842 06.jpeg
Even though the No. 3 was dropped about the same time as the cocking indicators, this No. 3E Magnum-10 has the stippling --
500168 04.png
On a No. 4E --
461815 04a stippling.jpg
On a No. 5E --
457595 05.png
On a No. 7E --
Jack Dempsey 05.jpg
The only $ Grade I know of has scroll --
500536 07.png
My 16ga NID4E 2bbl set is stippled and does not have the cocking indicators yet the serial #(1928) seems to pre-date the time frame as accepted for the cocking indicators being dropped? I am looking forward to receiving the Cody letter I applied for to see what details it may hold as to the guns build time frame, order details, customer etc.,. I have wondered if it was a frame stamped earlier in production and completed a few years later? Here is a picture of it next to my 12ga NID4E dated 1927 and the Cody letter from the 12ga...
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Re: A Little 4E Love!
Posted: Wed May 20, 2026 11:30 am
by Researcher
I have recorded several No. 4 & 5 NIDs with serial numbers that would indicate late 1920s but were made without cocking indicators. Here is a No. 4E 12-gauge 448880, slim forearm, regular rib --
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This gun also has a dog on each side instead of the normal duck & pheasant.
Here is 454419, a No. 4E 16-gauge field gun --
Here is 456828 a fully optioned No. 4E 16-gauge, including a 1935-style beavertail forearm --
One of my favorite bits of evidence of guns lingering in inventory is this October 1942 invoice for six fully optioned No. 4 & 5 trap guns with serial numbers from 449925 to 457422 --
While I haven't recorded any of the guns on this invoice, I have saved pictures of 457423 a fully optioned 12-gauge 32-inch trap gun that while it has no cocking indicators the top of the frame is scroll engraved --
This gun also has the 1935 style beavertail --
but it has the early-style Deeley forearm latch --
With that longer beavertail I'd think it would be desirable to have the 1935 latch using the Baker J-Spring and the Parker style tilting-block latch activated by the lever. Green arrow pointing to Baker J-spring and blue arrow pointing to Parker tilting block --
Re: A Little 4E Love!
Posted: Wed May 20, 2026 11:32 am
by Canuck
So another 4E has found it's way into my collection. This one in the form of another 32" barrelled Knick SBT.
I made the deal with a fellow we often shoot registered trap with. These are the pics he furnished so I'll have better ones to post when I pick the gun up from him at the Canadian Trapshooting Championships next month in Edmonton.
As he is also a CTA(Canadian Trapshooting Association) delegate I'll be continually prodding at him going forward to get the CTA to host a Nostalgia Event at the Canadians modeled after the event currently held at The Grand American.
Re: A Little 4E Love!
Posted: Wed May 20, 2026 11:35 am
by Canuck
Researcher wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2026 11:30 am
I have recorded several No. 4 & 5 NIDs with serial numbers that would indicate late 1920s but were made without cocking indicators. Here is a No. 4E 12-gauge 448880, slim forearm, regular rib --
448880 10.jpg
This gun also has a dog on each side instead of the normal duck & pheasant.
Here is 454419, a No. 4E 16-gauge field gun --
454419 03.jpg
Here is 456828 a fully optioned No. 4E 16-gauge, including a 1935-style beavertail forearm --
456828 02 no cocking indicators.jpeg
One of my favorite bits of evidence of guns lingering in inventory is this October 1942 invoice for six fully optioned No. 4 & 5 trap guns with serial numbers from 449925 to 457422 --
Oct. 17-1942.jpg
While I haven't recorded any of the guns on this invoice, I have saved pictures of 457423 a fully optioned 12-gauge 32-inch trap gun that while it has no cocking indicators the top of the frame is scroll engraved --
457423 06 no cocking indicators, scroll.jpg
This gun also has the 1935 style beavertail --
457423 07.jpg
but it has the early-style Deeley forearm latch --
457423 04.jpg
With that longer beavertail I'd think it would be desirable to have the 1935 latch using the Baker J-Spring and the Parker style tilting-block latch activated by the lever. Green arrow pointing to Baker J-spring and blue arrow pointing to Parker tilting block --
Third Style Ejector Forearm Latch.jpg
The 16ga you have quoted is mine and it is a two barrel set.
Re: A Little 4E Love!
Posted: Wed May 20, 2026 11:39 am
by DarylC
Very nice Frank. Seems you have tapped a resource for those Ithacas lately. I have come to realized how much diversity is in the various models, much more than the other American manufacturers. Thanks for showing and loking forward to pictures when you get her in hand.
Daryl
Re: A Little 4E Love!
Posted: Wed May 20, 2026 11:39 pm
by Canuck
DarylC wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2026 11:39 am
Very nice Frank. Seems you have tapped a resource for those Ithacas lately. I have come to realized how much diversity is in the various models, much more than the other American manufacturers. Thanks for showing and loking forward to pictures when you get her in hand.
Daryl
It is so strange. They just keep popping up being offered for sale out of conversations that have nothing to do with looking for or buying them. This latest was from a fellow trapshooter who surprised me when he offered he had one he'd like to sell and he said like most I've come across have said "I know nothing about them".
Well I know a little about them and I know that I really like them so when they offered up I grab them if they are within my slim budget.
