A Little 4E Love!

[Canuck]

The "stippling" on the top of the breech was a feature of the NID after they dropped the cocking indicators. On a Field Grade --

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On a No. 2E --

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Even though the No. 3 was dropped about the same time as the cocking indicators, this No. 3E Magnum-10 has the stippling --

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On a No. 4E --

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On a No. 5E --

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On a No. 7E --

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The only $ Grade I know of has scroll --

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My 16ga NID4E 2bbl set is stippled and does not have the cocking indicators yet the serial #(1928) seems to pre-date the time frame as accepted for the cocking indicators being dropped? I am looking forward to receiving the Cody letter I applied for to see what details it may hold as to the guns build time frame, order details, customer etc.,. I have wondered if it was a frame stamped earlier in production and completed a few years later? Here is a picture of it next to my 12ga NID4E dated 1927 and the Cody letter from the 12ga...

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[Researcher]

I have recorded several No. 4 & 5 NIDs with serial numbers that would indicate late 1920s but were made without cocking indicators. Here is a No. 4E 12-gauge 448880, slim forearm, regular rib --

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This gun also has a dog on each side instead of the normal duck & pheasant.

Here is 454419, a No. 4E 16-gauge field gun --

Here is 456828 a fully optioned No. 4E 16-gauge, including a 1935-style beavertail forearm --

One of my favorite bits of evidence of guns lingering in inventory is this October 1942 invoice for six fully optioned No. 4 & 5 trap guns with serial numbers from 449925 to 457422 --

While I haven't recorded any of the guns on this invoice, I have saved pictures of 457423 a fully optioned 12-gauge 32-inch trap gun that while it has no cocking indicators the top of the frame is scroll engraved --

This gun also has the 1935 style beavertail --

but it has the early-style Deeley forearm latch --

With that longer beavertail I'd think it would be desirable to have the 1935 latch using the Baker J-Spring and the Parker style tilting-block latch activated by the lever. Green arrow pointing to Baker J-spring and blue arrow pointing to Parker tilting block --

[Canuck]

So another 4E has found it's way into my collection. This one in the form of another 32" barrelled Knick SBT.
I made the deal with a fellow we often shoot registered trap with. These are the pics he furnished so I'll have better ones to post when I pick the gun up from him at the Canadian Trapshooting Championships next month in Edmonton.
As he is also a CTA(Canadian Trapshooting Association) delegate I'll be continually prodding at him going forward to get the CTA to host a Nostalgia Event at the Canadians modeled after the event currently held at The Grand American.

[Canuck]

I have recorded several No. 4 & 5 NIDs with serial numbers that would indicate late 1920s but were made without cocking indicators. Here is a No. 4E 12-gauge 448880, slim forearm, regular rib --

448880 10.jpg

This gun also has a dog on each side instead of the normal duck & pheasant.

Here is 454419, a No. 4E 16-gauge field gun --

454419 03.jpg

Here is 456828 a fully optioned No. 4E 16-gauge, including a 1935-style beavertail forearm --

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One of my favorite bits of evidence of guns lingering in inventory is this October 1942 invoice for six fully optioned No. 4 & 5 trap guns with serial numbers from 449925 to 457422 --

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While I haven't recorded any of the guns on this invoice, I have saved pictures of 457423 a fully optioned 12-gauge 32-inch trap gun that while it has no cocking indicators the top of the frame is scroll engraved --

457423 06 no cocking indicators, scroll.jpg

This gun also has the 1935 style beavertail --

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but it has the early-style Deeley forearm latch --

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With that longer beavertail I'd think it would be desirable to have the 1935 latch using the Baker J-Spring and the Parker style tilting-block latch activated by the lever. Green arrow pointing to Baker J-spring and blue arrow pointing to Parker tilting block --

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The 16ga you have quoted is mine and it is a two barrel set.

[DarylC]

Very nice Frank. Seems you have tapped a resource for those Ithacas lately. I have come to realized how much diversity is in the various models, much more than the other American manufacturers. Thanks for showing and loking forward to pictures when you get her in hand.

Daryl