2022 Fox/Lefever challenge rules

[DarylC]

Please note a change in the qualification procedure for the challenge teams. We feel that this change will give more shooters a fair chance to make their respective teams and get some fresh blood into this event. So the more rounds you shoot the better chance you have of making the team. Good luck to all.

1) Competition is open to members in good standing of the AHFCA or LACA as of May 1st, 2022. Updated rosters will be on hand to verify current membership status. Dual members of AHFCA and LACA must choose ONE Association to represent at time of registration. Anyone attempting to shoot for both Associations will be disqualified.

2) Shooters must use a shotgun promoted by the organization they choose to represent. Those shooting A.H. Fox guns and representing the AHFCA are limited to Fox guns manufactured in Philadelphia, PA, Utica, NY and New Britain, CT (CSMC Fox models). Those shooting Lefever guns: Legitimate Lefevers are those guns made by Dan Lefever or one of his companies (Lefever Arms Co. after he left.). This includes Ithaca made Lefever guns with side plates but excludes Ithaca made Lefever Nitro Specials and their derivatives.

3) The qualification round will be shot on the 5 stand. You must get a card from Harold in the office and mark it either Fox or Lefever. After you have shot your card will remain at the 5 stand. You must tell the trapper that you are shooting for the challenge and he/she will retain the card to be picked up by by me or one of my designates. There will be a marked receptacle at the 5 stand to deposit your cards. For qualification rounds you may shoot a pre-mounted gun but this year we will be requiring that in the challenge event you must shoot a LOW GUN. The gun must be completely dismounted with the butt no higher than ones elbow, movement only upon visual presentation of the bird. Warning the first offense, loss of a bird on the second and DQ on the third.









4) Qualification round(s) may be shot all day on Thursday June 2nd and Friday, June 3rd. Completed scorecard MUST BE DEPOSITED IN THE MARKED RECEPTACLE AT THE 5 STAND no later than noon on Saturday, NO EXCEPTIONS. A blackboard in place there will rank the lead qualifiers and will be updated as scores are tallied throughout the day.

5) The top TWO scoring shooters for each manufacturer will be shooter #1 and 2 for the respective teams. The remaining 3 shooters for each team will be chosen by random draw from the scorecards deposited at the 5 stand.

6) The Fox–Lefever Challenge round will be conducted on Hidden Hollow’s 5-Stand field immediately before the Bo-Whoop/WCL Shoot-Offs on Saturday, June 4th @ 2:00. A flip of the coin will decide the first team to shoot.

7) A total of 125 targets will be thrown for each team of 5 gunners. High cumulative score will decide the 2019 winning team. The cumulative score for each team will be calculated as follows: The sum of scores recorded by the Hidden Hollow scorer + the official Lefever scorer + the official Fox scorer. That sum will be divided by three (3) and rounded to the second decimal place. (Each scorer will use a hand operated mechanical counter.) Once again please note the low gun requirement in paragraph #3. This isn't a NSSA .event

8 ) In the event of a trap malfunction during a team’s attempt at the Challenge targets, the Hidden Hollow official will void that team’s score and a new round of 125 targets will be shot.

9) The wearing of Eye and Ear protection is required of all competitors.

10) All Hidden Hollow/NSCA rules will apply for ammunition and maximum allowed shot size.

11) All shooters who qualify for the Challenge Team will receive an official Fox/Lefever
Hat to commemorate this epic contest.

11. All shooters must have fun, be safe and conduct themselves in a sportsmanlike manner becoming of these two, fine organizations!

[Jeff S]

Well done

[Silvers]

Once again I don't have the thumbs up emoji and I'll thank Daryl in this reply for his fine work on this and the other events. One comment I have that also applies to the Baby Whoop event, is that the low gun requirement (one caution and then the DQ protocol) is absolutely administered by the scorers (plural) for each and every shooter. In the past there were several scorers who rotate that role at the 5-stand and the B-W field, and they all must be trained/standardized. Often one "X" can separate the top level shooters who qualify/don't qualify and that's also important during the shootoff, and the last thing we want to see is tension because one shooter got zero or multiple warnings, and another shooter only got one.

An idea here is that for the shootoff, painters tape or similar can be used on each shooter's vest or shirt to indicate the elbow/breast line as in FITASC?

A second suggestion is that those who do the random draw of shooters for each team have ready access to the membership rolls for each organization. You know what I mean. Nuff said.

Readers, yes I know many shoot just for fun but there are also those that are serious about doing their very best while also having fun. And especially when there's a purse and plaudits on the outcome.

frank

[Jeff S]

Thanks for the comments

[DarylC]

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[DarylC]

Frank, thanks for your comments as they always add something positive. To answer your question we are only enforcing the low gun on the F/L challenge. The Baby Whoop is just a fun side event for now and the low gun is optional. Shoot it low gun and you qualify for the cash prizes. We will have current membership rosters for both organizations.

[Silvers]

Just to close the loop on the presence or absence of the thumbs up/thank you emoji. Craig (Fox-Admin) and I talked yesterday and I learned that the emoji is set up so it's only an option on selected forums, mainly those just enabled for paying members of the AHFCA. Makes sense to me.

Thanks Daryl for your feedback. I still think if there are cash purses just for "low gun" shooters at your Baby Whoop, that can set up a dynamic whereby a forgetful or partial premounted gun shooter is going to be pissed if s/he has a good score but is cut out of the purses. Or the opposite if a low gun shooter hears that someone they saw doing some premounting gets a payout. Yeah I know it's not a lot of money but often a few bucks can be a trigger. Just a suggestion to make it low gun for everyone, or shooter's choice, otherwise that's going to be hard to administer and ripe for complaints. My friend, of course all this is just jmo. frank