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Fox B how common

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:41 am
by coues
I was wondering how many B Grade A H Foxes were made? Do we know how many B 12 gauges were made with 32” barrels?

Re: Fox B how common

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:02 am
by setterspell
Check out AHFCA Spring 2011 newsletter article covering 12ga. 2nd gen B grade production. ( accessible to dues paying members)
Thanks again Craig!
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Re: Fox B how common

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:40 am
by coues
Thank you Craig I will have a look. Nice picture of your B.

Re: Fox B how common

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:54 am
by spyder
Late B grades are awesome. My goal is to have B's in all 3 gauges, pref. with straight grips.

Still working on that...

Re: Fox B how common

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:18 am
by 44whiskey
i can see how B grades would kill market share of C grade at the lower price point.i am partial to Bs and Xs. :wink:

Re: Fox B how common

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:37 am
by Researcher
Those Gough style B-Grades are actually 4th generation. A really tough collecting goal would be to get a set of straight grip 3rd generation B-grades, the style only shown in the 1913 "A Fox Gets the Game" Catalog --
1913 A Fox Gets the Game Catalogue, page 9 B-grade.jpeg
A 12-gauge --
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A 16-Gauge --
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Tom

Kidd pictured a no-safety 20-gauge in an early The Double Gun Journal. In 2014 at the California Side-by-Side I saw an early style 20-gauge A-Grade that had been upgraded to this style B-Grade by Turnbull, with their logo stamped on the watertable.

Re: Fox B how common

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:45 pm
by Stan Hillis
Yes, BEs with 32" barrels are nice. I've got one, a 1918 BE 12 gauge. Restocked, but still a Fox.

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Re: Fox B how common

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:36 pm
by coues
Hopefully I will have this Fox in the next few weeks. It never fails when you decide to downsize your gun collection something comes along to make you fall off the wagon. Reminds me when I decided to stop smoking cigars. About two weeks into goal a customer brings me in a couple of true Cuban Cohiba cigars. Well…..something’s you just can’t pass up. The Spirt is willing but the flesh is weak.
High condition Fox B 32” barrels Full and Full. It has a white line pad installed on a uncut stock. I think that will have to go.
Would a Silvers pad be appropriate? What pad was used on Foxes? Your feedback is appreciated.
1915 with original finish I am told. Looking forward to having it in hand.

Re: Fox B how common

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:22 pm
by Researcher
Seems like every employee in the checkering department at North 18th Street had a different pattern for the 4th generation B-Grades. I see your gun has the same forearm checkering as my 12-gauge, straight grip, B-Grade, with 28-inch, 4-weight Krupp barrels.
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My gun 21474 is only 14 serial numbers higher than my straight grip A-grade, Meat-in the-Pot, which shipped July 1914, and the B-Grade shipped 1918. This B-Grade 21477 has a different forearm checkering pattern --
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Re: Fox B how common

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:01 pm
by coues
Thank you for sharing. Here is a copy of the card info. Also something I found while doing some research.

Re: Fox B how common

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:34 am
by Rbishop
Very nice B grade!

Re: Fox B how common

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:03 pm
by Foxnut
Coues,
Very nice B grade indeed!! When you get it in hand please share additional pics/details. Congrats!

Re: Fox B how common

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:31 pm
by Researcher
See a nice, except for the 3 1/2-inch drop-at-heel, 20-gauge, 4th generation B-Grade came up on GI today.

Re: Fox B how common

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:46 pm
by Rbishop
Researcher wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:31 pm See a nice, except for the 3 1/2-inch drop-at-heel, 20-gauge, 4th generation B-Grade came up on GI today.
That one has been on Barnett site for some time. Price has been reduced. Letters with 3” chambers which is interesting, but that DAH I think really hurts it.

Re: Fox B how common

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:00 pm
by Researcher
It was on the market somewhere else in the past as I have in my files ten pictures of it that include the barrel flats, watertable, serial number on the trigger guard and the inside of the forearm, pictures Barnett never shows.

In my check of the 20-gauge records, I found 40 guns ordered for 3-inch shells and 7 for 2 7/8-inch shells.